soon, this will be done and over with

[dancingyel]

i will be glad when the elections are done. still, it boggles the mind that so many people are supporting prop 8 in CA. i have such a hard time figuring out why, other than baseless hatred, this is any sort of issue.

ETA: there are certainly people who don't vote yes on prop 8 due to outright hatred. however, the end result is the same. is the intent more important than the outcome? i don't think so.

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[kragen.livejournal.com]

The context that being in a same-sex couple is something that people are born into, or at least that some people are born into having a choice between being in a same-sex couple and remaining single for their entire lives — remember that many of the proponents of Proposition 8 think of sex between people of the same gender as a voluntary choice, not an unavoidable orientation. Elaborated more in my longer comment below.

[dancingyel.livejournal.com]

remember that many of the proponents of Proposition 8 think of sex between people of the same gender as a voluntary choice, not an unavoidable orientation.

yes, but i don't agree with that, at least not for the most part.

[kragen.livejournal.com]

I assume you mean that you don't think of sex between people of the same gender as a voluntary choice, not that you don't agree that many Proposition 8 proponents think that.

Given that they do, then perhaps you can see that their opposition to the activity isn't necessarily rooted in hatred of a group? They don't even believe the group, as such, exists.

[kragen.livejournal.com]

On a personal note — this is the first time I've mentioned my own opinions on the matter — I think sex of any kind is a voluntary choice, but I think it's a choice that we should work as a society to make as safe and non-harmful and enjoyable as possible, by measures such as having it inside of long-term committed relationships with explicit societal support, preventing people from being coerced into it, using barrier contraceptives, legalizing prostitution and making it subject to government regulation to protect the health and bargaining power of the prostitutes, and so on. (My primary objection to sex between adults and children is that children are very vulnerable to coercion by adults because they have so little power.) So I think same-sex marriage should be strongly supported by the whole society, including the state. I attended my cousin Karrie's wedding in Arizona a few years ago; I went to the gay pride parade here this weekend.